HOOPSANALYST
NBA Draft 2008: Shooting Guards
by Ed Weiland (6/19/08)
Last year’s crop of SGs was one of the weakest I’ve seen. This year it looks like one of the deeper groups. Most of the depth is of the lower round variety though. There’s very little star power in this group. OJ Mayo and Eric Gordon would seem to be potential stars, but both players have a ways to go before they’re at that level. Below them are a group of juniors and seniors who have developed into pretty decent prospects. They’re not on the level of a Mayo, but they’re certainly good enough that if I were a team drafting in the top 10, I wouldn’t feel bad about passing on Mayo or Gordon for a talented big man with the idea of drafting a SG in round 2.
I haven’t had any new revelations with SGs in the past year, other than the fact that I’m not considering the A/TO ratio to be a huge deal unless it’s below 0.8. The statistics that I will look at as most important here will continue to be scoring at least 20.0 points per 40 minutes, regular and 2-point FG pct. of .425 and .500 respectively and a RSB40 of at least 7.0. If there are any other glaring negatives or positives involved, I’ll take those into account also, but I won’t get too serious about it.
Here are the pace adjusted stats:
|
Player |
fgpct |
3pct |
2 pct |
P40 |
A40 |
S40 |
TO40 |
A/TO |
RSB40 |
pps |
|
Douglas-Roberts, C |
0.541 |
0.413 |
0.578 |
23.99 |
2.35 |
1.62 |
2.75 |
0.86 |
7.69 |
1.51 |
|
Foster, Shan |
0.523 |
0.469 |
0.610 |
23.37 |
1.89 |
1.22 |
1.96 |
0.97 |
7.14 |
1.49 |
|
Giddens, JR |
0.516 |
0.333 |
0.557 |
20.21 |
3.88 |
1.77 |
2.75 |
1.41 |
14.15 |
1.32 |
|
Kemp, Marcelus |
0.449 |
0.380 |
0.490 |
24.67 |
4.08 |
0.86 |
3.03 |
1.35 |
7.93 |
1.33 |
|
Mayo, OJ |
0.442 |
0.409 |
0.464 |
22.95 |
3.66 |
1.71 |
3.93 |
0.93 |
7.18 |
1.28 |
|
Roby, Richard |
0.477 |
0.382 |
0.520 |
20.82 |
2.52 |
1.26 |
4.09 |
0.62 |
10.58 |
1.38 |
|
Lee, Courtney |
0.477 |
0.397 |
0.515 |
26.70 |
2.72 |
2.36 |
3.05 |
0.89 |
9.74 |
1.35 |
|
Tyndale, Mark |
0.488 |
0.368 |
0.525 |
17.32 |
4.65 |
1.73 |
3.75 |
1.24 |
10.26 |
1.48 |
|
Nelson, DeMarcus |
0.490 |
0.388 |
0.532 |
17.67 |
3.58 |
1.90 |
3.01 |
1.19 |
9.34 |
1.41 |
|
Weaver, Kyle |
0.463 |
0.364 |
0.491 |
15.73 |
5.58 |
2.22 |
3.58 |
1.56 |
9.93 |
1.43 |
|
Gordon, Eric |
0.433 |
0.337 |
0.525 |
23.87 |
2.78 |
1.50 |
4.10 |
0.68 |
5.92 |
1.57 |
|
Rush, Brandon |
0.435 |
0.419 |
0.448 |
17.81 |
2.85 |
1.12 |
2.42 |
1.17 |
9.10 |
1.22 |
|
Crawfod, Joe |
0.469 |
0.364 |
0.548 |
21.75 |
2.59 |
0.69 |
3.36 |
0.77 |
5.30 |
1.34 |
|
Riley, Mykal |
0.448 |
0.433 |
0.474 |
18.60 |
2.19 |
2.04 |
2.19 |
1.00 |
9.17 |
1.31 |
|
Lofton, Chris |
0.399 |
0.384 |
0.437 |
19.83 |
2.27 |
1.70 |
1.74 |
1.31 |
5.89 |
1.31 |
The prospect numbers compared to prospects of the past:
|
NCAA Freshman SG prospect |
FG pct. |
2 Pct. |
3 Pct. |
P40 |
A/TO |
RSB40 |
|
All-star |
.443 |
.506 |
.346 |
19.9 |
0.9 |
9.7 |
|
Rotation Regular |
.475 |
.501 |
.361 |
17.7 |
1.2 |
8.9 |
|
OJ Mayo |
.442 |
.464 |
.409 |
23.0 |
0.9 |
7.2 |
|
Journeyman |
.437 |
.504 |
.344 |
17.9 |
1.0 |
8.1 |
|
Eric Gordon |
.433 |
.525 |
.337 |
23.9 |
0.7 |
5.9 |
|
Never made it |
.426 |
.482 |
.344 |
16.5 |
1.1 |
7.6 |
|
NCAA Junior SG prospect |
FG pct. |
2 Pct. |
3 Pct. |
P40 |
A/TO |
RSB40 |
|
All-star |
.466 |
.524 |
.380 |
23.1 |
1.2 |
9.6 |
|
Chris Douglas-Roberts |
.541 |
.578 |
.413 |
24.0 |
0.9 |
7.7 |
|
Rotation Regular |
.468 |
.517 |
.377 |
21.1 |
1.3 |
9.1 |
|
Journeyman |
.439 |
.497 |
.362 |
21.0 |
1.1 |
8.5 |
|
Brandon Rush |
.435 |
.448 |
.419 |
17.8 |
1.2 |
9.1 |
|
Never made it |
.442 |
.499 |
.369 |
19.4 |
1.1 |
7.6 |
|
NCAA Senior SG prospect |
FG pct. |
2 Pct. |
3 Pct. |
P40 |
A/TO |
RSB40 |
|
All-star |
.436 |
.523 |
.364 |
22.0 |
1.4 |
9.1 |
|
JR Giddens |
.516 |
.557 |
.333 |
20.2 |
1.4 |
14.2 |
|
Courtney Lee |
.477 |
.515 |
.397 |
26.7 |
0.9 |
9.7 |
|
Mark Tyndale |
.488 |
.525 |
.368 |
17.3 |
1.2 |
10.3 |
|
DeMarcus Nelson |
.490 |
.532 |
.388 |
17.7 |
1.2 |
9.3 |
|
Rotation Regular |
.477 |
.533 |
.396 |
22.9 |
1.3 |
8.4 |
|
Shan Foster |
.523 |
.610 |
.469 |
23.4 |
1.0 |
7.1 |
|
Marcellus Kemp |
.449 |
.490 |
.380 |
24.7 |
1.4 |
7.9 |
|
Richard Roby |
.477 |
.520 |
.382 |
20.8 |
0.6 |
10.6 |
|
Kyle Weaver |
.463 |
.491 |
.364 |
15.7 |
1.6 |
9.9 |
|
Journeyman |
.459 |
.525 |
.379 |
21.7 |
1.2 |
8.4 |
|
Joe Crawford |
.469 |
.548 |
.364 |
21.8 |
0.8 |
5.3 |
|
Mykal Riley |
.448 |
.474 |
.433 |
18.6 |
1.0 |
9.2 |
|
Never made it |
.432 |
.496 |
.371 |
19.5 |
1.2 |
7.6 |
|
Chris Lofton |
.399 |
.437 |
.384 |
19.8 |
1.3 |
5.9 |
Subjective rankings in order of which player I would take all other things being equal:
1. OJ Mayo, USC: When a player achieves rock star status in high school he’s bound to inspire strong feelings about his game both ways. There are many who resent anyone so young and so famous and will rip into someone like Mayo every chance they get. One of the causes of this resentment will often be another group of fans rallying around the player. I’ve seen this happen with Mayo. He came under some heat during the season for not quite living up to the hype. Now there are many singing his praises as possibly being in the same class as Rose and Beasley. The ironic thing is right now OJ Mayo projects as neither a star nor a bust, but nothing more than an above-average NBA SG. As the chart above shows OJ Mayo’s numbers show him to be a fairly ordinary prospect at this point in his career. He scores a lot of points, which is great, but the other numbers don’t suggest he’s anything special and if anything paint him as a player who’s weak defensively and doesn’t score efficiently enough. The biggest concern for me is his 2-point shooting pct. of .464. That’s a pretty low number, as is the 7.2 RSB40. Neither one is enough to make me think he’ll be anything resembling a bust, but both are on the soft side. I think it best here to compare him with past freshmen who did have some success after posting a weak 2-point pct.
|
Player |
FG Pct. |
2 Pt. Pct. |
P40 |
A/TO |
RSB40 |
|
Richard Hamilton |
.386 |
.392 |
20.8 |
0.9 |
7.7 |